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Blog EntryJun 24, '08 10:16 AM
by derby411 for everyone
Hi again everyone
 
I would like to know peoples opinons on whether hanked on or roller jibs are better on Ballads?  We have a roller currently and look to race Triola for some fun, but i was just wondering what other people feel is the best set up?   
 
Thanks everyone!

jespermilling wrote on Jun 24, '08
We made sure our Ballad had a rollergenoa when we bought it. And later had a new genoa made specifically for roller reefing. This is so for all the practical reasons. Easy reefing, easy removal (Roll it up), saves space in the locker. This all supports th ability to sail singlehanded, or doublehanded with more ease, harbour maneuvring, familysailing with kids, sailing with inexperienced guests, and sailing at night. I am sure hanked on has advantages as well, I hope somebody else will present them (please!). I  can only think of lower price, which is not an unimportant thing. (Money saved = less work = more sailing)
 
Jesper M.
msn-patentnick1 wrote on Jun 24, '08
I agree with Jesper on all counts.  My Ballad came with Furlex roller furling and a very nice No. 1 roller Genoa. True, you can't furl a No.1 into a No. 4 and expect a perfectly set sail, but if your sail is well cut with a foam luff etc. it can be very versatile and effective when furled to about half its total area. It really depends on the quality of your sail. Also, furling drums can be removed for racing, in which case you get the benefits of hanked-on sails. What you may want to also look into is installing an inner forestay. I did that a couple of summers ago and I'm very happy with the results. That's true versatility, since you can have both hanked on and roller sails (it's great for storm jibs and high-cut working jibs) plus do wing-on-wing sailing. If you install your inner forestay mast fitting close to the masthead then you won't need any running backstays either and the cost isn't prohibitive at all.  There's a note in this section labeled "inner forestay".  I've beefed up the deck fitting a little since, so if you want new photos let me know.
 
Nicholas
Moments of Clarity #334
msn-algarveballad1 wrote on Jun 24, '08




From: albin-ballad@groups.msn.com
To: albin-ballad@groups.msn.com
Subject: Jibs - Hanked on or roller?
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 02:16:01 -0700

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you need to reef , then yor in trouble as you just can't point high . now I have a no.2 pentex which goes
past the roller down to the deck. Then on the down wind legs , we un -clip from the deck and roll as normal
without it attached to the bottom roller. this is done after the spinaker is set. trying to lower the jib  andthen raise
it again in a round the cans race is far to time consuming and slow.
  also if your not going to race under the Ballad rule, it pays to have a longer boom (about a foot) I thought this would un balance the
boat to wind ward  but combined with a traveller you can ease from the side deck  it's fine, and greatly improves light air speed all round.
 
regards  Algarve ballad 1
 
 
 
 
 
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From: Derby411

Hi again everyone
 
I would like to know peoples opinons on whether hanked on or roller jibs are better on Ballads?  We have a roller currently and look to race Triola for some fun, but i was just wondering what other people feel is the best set up?   
 
Thanks everyone!

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msn-misstress6 wrote on Jun 24, '08
In relation to advantages /dis advantages of Roller  v hanked on headsails the hanked on are fool proof and rarely present problems. I have seen roller genoas jammed both unfurled, partially furled and fully furled. I have had a few problems with my own Furling genoa on Tempterss  at the mast head.  The Halyard lead was incorrect and sometimes got wrapped. The problem was solved by recutting genoa and reducing luff length by 6 inches and installing a  horse shoe shaped guide on mast to alter halyard lead .
 
When installing an inner forestay what is the process?  Where on mast (height) is the inner connected and where /how on deck - any photos??
 
Brendan
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msn-vcjones wrote on Jun 24, '08
I prefer not having to go forward to reduce the sail if I need to.  Getting caught in a Nor'easter with way too much sail up is not something I want to go through any time soon, and we would have been in an even more dangerous situation if we did not have our roller furler.
Cathi Jones, Lyric #205



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In relation to advantages /dis advantages of Roller  v hanked on headsails the hanked on are fool proof and rarely present problems. I have seen roller genoas jammed both unfurled, partially furled and fully furled. I have had a few problems with my own Furling genoa on Tempterss  at the mast head.  The Halyard lead was incorrect and sometimes got wrapped. The problem was solved by recutting genoa and reducing luff length by 6 inches and installing a  horse shoe shaped guide on mast to alter halyard lead .  When installing an inner forestay what is the process?  Where on mast (height) is the inner connected and where /how on deck - any photos??    Brendan Temptress

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msn-derby411 wrote on Jun 25, '08
Thank you for the comments so far everyone.. Well i must say i am still for the roller as i also prefer to not have to go up on deck to change sails.. and would like ease of sailing.  I shall show Mark the comments and maybe we will come to an agreement to add an inner forestay on which he can hank a sail but leave the roller as is.. :) 
jespermilling wrote on Jun 25, '08
Racing and Cruising have different needs when it comes to the jib. An inner forestay can be a very good supplement. Personally I would like to have an inner forestay for a storm jib. We only do cruising, and this year we will be going to Norway, which includes crossing Skagerrak, which is not like crossing the North sea in dastance, but the weather is the same. So I would like the option of mounting a forestay somewhere on the deck just in the middle between the mast and bow. I would then set a 3 or 4 Sq. meter flouresecent orange storm jib and keep going with more comfort and speed, in winds around and above 20 m/s, if I have to. The adavantage of a storm jib carried just in front of the mast, is that it has a lot more effect, than the same area way out on the foestay, because a jib and a main work together, if they are close enough.  
 
Jesper .
msn-falmouthballad1 wrote on Jul 7, '08
Hello

I fitted furling gear when I bought a new genoa. This works well and is very useful when sailing short handed or solo. Especially useful when coming into harbours or estuaries when I put a few rolls in to improve visibility under the sail to see navigation marks and other vessels. The disadvantages are that a genoa with a few rolls in will never set so well as a well cut hanked on sail also the power and weight is higher up the mast and therefore the healing motion will be greater.

If I know it is going to blow hard eg windward work in force 5-6, I take down the large furling genoa and set a smaller furling headsail which I can use in strong winds going to windward and I can furl up easily when I come into port or anchorage. I have used this going to windward in gusting force 8 with big steep seas with 2 reefs in the main (which is quite a small sail in the Ballad). I have single line reefing on the main so that I can do everything from the cockpit.

I found the Ballad kept going very well in these conditions though plenty of water came over the front and crashed into the spray hood, and I had to bear away in the troughs of the waves to keep good steerage speed and come up to windward when going over the wave crests to avoid the chance of being knocked down to leeward . The only time I have set the storm jib was when the small headsail split in strong winds. I have seen storm jibs advertised that are hoisted by a system of wrapping the luff around a furled headsail but I have no experience of this.

One disadvantage of the furling gear is that I have to sit on the foredeck and pull up the anchor chain horizontally below the furling drum which is a bit inconvenient.


David

msn-redmed6 wrote on Jul 10, '08
I found the boat tough to handle to windward in force 7 apparent under hanked on storm jib (may not be small enough).
 
One problem is that I need a third reef in the main but I've been advised this will impinge on the logo/sail number. has any one any experience or advice about this?




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Hello

I fitted furling gear when I bought a new genoa. This works well and is very useful when sailing short handed or solo. Especially useful when coming into harbours or estuaries when I put a few rolls in to improve visibility under the sail to see navigation marks and other vessels. The disadvantages are that a genoa with a few rolls in will never set so well as a well cut hanked on sail also the power and weight is higher up the mast and therefore the healing motion will be greater.

If I know it is going to blow hard eg windward work in force 5-6, I take down the large furling genoa and set a smaller furling headsail which I can use in strong winds going to windward and I can furl up easily when I come into port or anchorage. I have used this going to windward in gusting force 8 with big steep seas with 2 reefs in the main (which is quite a small sail in the Ballad). I have single line reefing on the main so that I can do everything from the cockpit.

I found the Ballad kept going very well in these conditions though plenty of water came over the front and crashed into the spray hood, and I had to bear away in the troughs of the waves to keep good steerage speed and come up to windward when going over the wave crests to avoid the chance of being knocked down to leeward . The only time I have set the storm jib was when the small headsail split in strong winds. I have seen storm jibs advertised that are hoisted by a system of wrapping the luff around a furled headsail but I have no experience of this.

One disadvantage of the furling gear is that I have to sit on the foredeck and pull up the anchor chain horizontally below the furling drum which is a bit inconvenient.


David


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